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>> looking and nevada, we talked about the third district. but the fourth district, which was drawn and assumed that the democrats would win it, the republican is in the game. he lost in the senate primary in 2010. but that is the top of district that democrats, again, should be winning and need to win to do well. overall, on election night, i will be watching the seats that republicans, that we have as republican-favored or that lean republican. that is how far down our competitive race list is. democrats have to start winning and defeating republican members in order to get close to the majority. if they are not winning this heavily-republican seats, they will not have enough. >> let me conclude with this point. if you look at the big picture, the balance of power, and you see where the president is strong and where governor romney is strong, will there be coattails in these states? >> the most impact we have seen in the president's race has already happened. in talkingit is talking to demo. that first debate was fundamentally important not
>> looking and nevada, we talked about the third district. but the fourth district, which was drawn and assumed that the democrats would win it, the republican is in the game. he lost in the senate primary in 2010. but that is the top of district that democrats, again, should be winning and need to win to do well. overall, on election night, i will be watching the seats that republicans, that we have as republican-favored or that lean republican. that is how far down our competitive race...
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we're going to win nevada. we're going to win new hampshire. i think we have an even chance of winning virginia and florida. so it could be a big win. and it also could be close. >> check those numbers, what do you make of those states? is that a good list? >> i think the ceiling is somewhere 300, 303 if you want to be exact the numbers i've done. if you throw in north carolina it could be 318 max. that's possible. they could all be 51, 49 at the end of the day. i do want to say i think a lot of us, we're sort of victims of 2004. before 2004 we were all more convinced of the challenger incumbent rule. that somehow challengers always got the undecided and then a tie goes to the challenger. then you're happened when bush won frankly as many of the undecided as he did. then you'd have to go back to '76 the last time the person with momentum lost at the end. lost the popular vote. that was ford. ford had the momentum but carter won in the end. even gore, he had the last-second momentum. he did win the popular vote. having the momentum has it in the
we're going to win nevada. we're going to win new hampshire. i think we have an even chance of winning virginia and florida. so it could be a big win. and it also could be close. >> check those numbers, what do you make of those states? is that a good list? >> i think the ceiling is somewhere 300, 303 if you want to be exact the numbers i've done. if you throw in north carolina it could be 318 max. that's possible. they could all be 51, 49 at the end of the day. i do want to say i...
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most recently, we moved to nevada off of the in-playlist on to the leaning democratic list as it becomes clear are the polls and the early voting statistics that president obama was filling out a pretty strong lead in that state. host: so as this map comes together, what tatestate does the los angeles uses to determine? -- los angeles times uses to determine? guest: we use a mixture of things. early in the process, you are relying on republican polls. as the process goes along, two other things factor into it. one is the reporting that our political staff does. we've had reporters in all of the battleground states as the campaign goes along and traveling what both of the presidential and vice presidential candidates. so we get a lot of information from our reporters and that's -- that factors into the map and once early voting gets started, we've been tracking the early vote and that was particularly important in nevada. it was also important in north north carolina. for a while, we have moved north carolina off of our battleground list because it seemed like the public opinion polls wer
most recently, we moved to nevada off of the in-playlist on to the leaning democratic list as it becomes clear are the polls and the early voting statistics that president obama was filling out a pretty strong lead in that state. host: so as this map comes together, what tatestate does the los angeles uses to determine? -- los angeles times uses to determine? guest: we use a mixture of things. early in the process, you are relying on republican polls. as the process goes along, two other things...
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i will give you nevada as your best of the battleground states. what's your worst? what are you most worried about? >> well, you know, john, somebody was quoted yesterday as saying that's like choosing between our children. >> so choose. >> we are tied or -- i'm not going to do that. we're tied or ahead in every single battleground state. certainly some of them are tighter than others. north carolina is extremely tight. but we're pleased with where we are going into election day. we have advantage on the early vote. we've done significant work with voter registration in that state. we're close in florida. again, significant advantage on early vote. and done a lot of work on voter registration. >> can i run that through the universal political translator and say you're most worried about north carolina and florida? >> those are your words. >> let me bring in david gergen. he's also got a question. >> stephanie, good to see you. tell us what three things we should be looking for tomorrow night as a sense of which way it's going. what are you going to be looking for? >
i will give you nevada as your best of the battleground states. what's your worst? what are you most worried about? >> well, you know, john, somebody was quoted yesterday as saying that's like choosing between our children. >> so choose. >> we are tied or -- i'm not going to do that. we're tied or ahead in every single battleground state. certainly some of them are tighter than others. north carolina is extremely tight. but we're pleased with where we are going into election...
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if i give him nevada, iowa and wisconsin, 259/206. what does governor romney have to do? he must win the state of florida. tonight the democrats say we think we're still in play. give them truth sear rum, which ones are you likely to lose, they put florida on the list. the obama operation says watch us turn out the vote tomorrow. let's assume it stays with its normal republican dna, we'll keep it there. virginia is a must win for governor romney. we are wired on the ground, we can do it, the key will be the northern virginia suburbs. for the sake of argument, i know democrats are getting mad at me, i'm going to give it to governor romney. if we do that, this could be a decisive state. for the sake of argument, the obama campaign says we have this state. watch what happens tomorrow, especially in evangelical areas. i'm going to this hypothetical to show you how close this would be. it would leave us only ohio and new hampshire. you only get 4 in new hampshire, 18 in ohio. under any scenario, i could switch a few of these in plausible ways. under any scenario, this becomes
if i give him nevada, iowa and wisconsin, 259/206. what does governor romney have to do? he must win the state of florida. tonight the democrats say we think we're still in play. give them truth sear rum, which ones are you likely to lose, they put florida on the list. the obama operation says watch us turn out the vote tomorrow. let's assume it stays with its normal republican dna, we'll keep it there. virginia is a must win for governor romney. we are wired on the ground, we can do it, the...
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nevada at 15.1%. colorado 15.7%. swing states where you're winning by a margin of 3-1 this can really shift those tightly tightly-fought states. answer for me, why was mitt romney so tone deaf on the issue of immigration? >> well, you know, it's not just mitt romney. it's the republican party really. when they had the tea party waved and most of the moderate republicans were swept out of office because they lost primary elections to these very extreme tea party candidate tea party candidates are completely wrong on the issue of immigration and they're amped up with their rhetoric. i think the republican party has a lot of soul searching to do. here in the state of california republican registration has dipped below 30% for the first tame. they're quickly becoming a permanent minority party. they've completely missed the boat on immigration. we're a country of immigrants. the majority of people regardless of their political affiliation think that immigration is good for this country, and it revitalizes this country. m
nevada at 15.1%. colorado 15.7%. swing states where you're winning by a margin of 3-1 this can really shift those tightly tightly-fought states. answer for me, why was mitt romney so tone deaf on the issue of immigration? >> well, you know, it's not just mitt romney. it's the republican party really. when they had the tea party waved and most of the moderate republicans were swept out of office because they lost primary elections to these very extreme tea party candidate tea party...
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iowand nevada have been put away. i don't think new hampshire and wisconsin have. but i think that's reflect in that poll. the second that's occurred is every single poll i've seen shows more optimism about the economy than there was a month ago. not people aren't off the charts mind you, but a third of the people think the economy is in good shape. another 20% think it's getting in better shape and those are better numbers than the summer. >> rose: let me ask about florida, john harris, and pennsylvania. >> it looks like florida is most likely in romney's camp. not certain. it seems to me that if obama wins florida he's going to win a bunch of other states and we'll have a map that looks more like 2008 than we've been thinking this last month or so where hi would win most of the state he is won in 2008 minus north carolina and indiana. that's an early night for us all. althoughs pennsylvania better than i do. i don't think it's been awe thenltally in play. i think there was a series of head fakes going on but that's never been a central battground. >> rose: mark?
iowand nevada have been put away. i don't think new hampshire and wisconsin have. but i think that's reflect in that poll. the second that's occurred is every single poll i've seen shows more optimism about the economy than there was a month ago. not people aren't off the charts mind you, but a third of the people think the economy is in good shape. another 20% think it's getting in better shape and those are better numbers than the summer. >> rose: let me ask about florida, john harris,...
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>> both colorado and nevada are early voting states. 80% of registered voters are vote. 56%, nevada. the gop is battling harry reid's political machine. a growing population has a voting edge of -- voting edge of 90,000. despite obama's 2-point statewide lead they can make it up in reno and democratic turnout, early voting is down 5 points over 2008. martha: thanks, william. bill: we heard for several years that the economy is issue number one for you at home. if that's the case, how does this race break today? fair and balanced debate on that in a moment. martha: a handful of swing states that will likely determine the outcome of this election. which states fall into that category and why? bill: the race seems to be tightening by the day. why does one political analyst predict a landslide. >> you watched what happened in this country the last four years with an interview. you hope that president obama would live up with his promise to bring people together, to solve the big problems. he hasn't. i will. [cheers and applause] but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progress
>> both colorado and nevada are early voting states. 80% of registered voters are vote. 56%, nevada. the gop is battling harry reid's political machine. a growing population has a voting edge of -- voting edge of 90,000. despite obama's 2-point statewide lead they can make it up in reno and democratic turnout, early voting is down 5 points over 2008. martha: thanks, william. bill: we heard for several years that the economy is issue number one for you at home. if that's the case, how does...
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most recently we moved to nevada off of be in play list of the leading democratic list as it became clear to the polls and eventually from the early voting statistics that president obama was giving of a pretty strong lead in that state. >> so as the map comes together, what date does the "los angeles times" used to determine? >> we use a mixture of things early in the process. you are mostly relaunching on the public polls as the process goes a long to other things factor into it and one is the reporting that our political staff does. we've had reporters in all of the battleground states as it goes along. we get a lot of information from our reporters and as one's early voting get started, we've been and it's particularly important in nevada i was also important in north carolina we had moved north carolina off of our battleground list because it seemed like the public opinion polls were suggesting that the republicans had a fairly strong lead that it wants the early vote came in, they were very similar to 2008 in which president obama very narrowly won the state. so, we move to north ca
most recently we moved to nevada off of be in play list of the leading democratic list as it became clear to the polls and eventually from the early voting statistics that president obama was giving of a pretty strong lead in that state. >> so as the map comes together, what date does the "los angeles times" used to determine? >> we use a mixture of things early in the process. you are mostly relaunching on the public polls as the process goes a long to other things factor...
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and then sharon engel in nevada. harry reid should be retired watching boxing matches. >> it's political malpractice on the part of the republicans if you want to be in leadership. >> even if the margin is narrow and obama wins subject tomorrow morning has got to be in many ways, we'll have many issues to cover, but politically the fate of the republican party. >> there's no doubt about it. >> demographically, ideologically and all the rest. it's in real trouble even if the margin is narrow. >> and the big question is especially for conservative, movement conservatives are going to be asking how did we lose this race? we will be asking the question that democrats and people that write for the new yorker were asking after you lost to george w. bush twice. let's go now to elijah cummings in baltimore, maryland. how's it going, buddy? how are you feeling? >> i feel great. >> are you going to guarantee that the president will carry maryland tonight? are you willing to step out on a limb? >> by at least 25 points. by at l
and then sharon engel in nevada. harry reid should be retired watching boxing matches. >> it's political malpractice on the part of the republicans if you want to be in leadership. >> even if the margin is narrow and obama wins subject tomorrow morning has got to be in many ways, we'll have many issues to cover, but politically the fate of the republican party. >> there's no doubt about it. >> demographically, ideologically and all the rest. it's in real trouble even if...
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get geico. >> gretchen: shocking allegations out of nevada as voters head to the polls. north carolina group known as alley pack plans to file a complaint that illegal immigrants are being allowed to vote there. in a letter to nevada's secretary of state, it claims the illegals are intentionally being registered and then pressured to vote. >>> 148 victims and family members suing the government now over the massacre at fort hood. they say the defense department is avoiding legal and financial responsibility by calling the shooting a workplace violence attack instead of a terrorist attack. 13 people were killed, including a pregnant woman. guys? >> brian: in 2008, our next guest was a proud supporter of president obama. as a registered democrat and small business owner, he believed a vote for obama meant a vote for job creation. four years later, he decided the president needs to step aside. >> steve: and joining us now is the owner of 35 appleby's franchises in the new york city area. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> steve: why did you switch? >> i guess four yea
get geico. >> gretchen: shocking allegations out of nevada as voters head to the polls. north carolina group known as alley pack plans to file a complaint that illegal immigrants are being allowed to vote there. in a letter to nevada's secretary of state, it claims the illegals are intentionally being registered and then pressured to vote. >>> 148 victims and family members suing the government now over the massacre at fort hood. they say the defense department is avoiding legal...
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colorado, nevada, wisconsin, michigan. i'm afraid i'm going to leave something out. we have a lot of different paths that we can get to 270 with, wolf. and we feel good about how things are trending today. >> ed gillespie in boston, thank you very much for coming in. >> thanks for having me on. >>> in the next hour, we'll be speaking with david plouffe from the obama white house. we're less than two hours away from the first÷xq polls closing 6:00 p.m. eastern. we're going live to the battleground states where some voters are waiting for our more hours to cast their ballots. what's going on? [ male announcer ] whether it's kevin's smartphone... ♪ ...mom's smartphone... dad's tablet... or lauren's smartphone... at&t has a plan built to help make families' lives easier. introducing at&t mobile share. one plan lets you share data on up to 10 devices with unlimited talk and text. add a tablet for only $10 per month. at&t. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 you know, the one that's been lying around. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 rollover your old 401(k) to a schwab ira,
colorado, nevada, wisconsin, michigan. i'm afraid i'm going to leave something out. we have a lot of different paths that we can get to 270 with, wolf. and we feel good about how things are trending today. >> ed gillespie in boston, thank you very much for coming in. >> thanks for having me on. >>> in the next hour, we'll be speaking with david plouffe from the obama white house. we're less than two hours away from the first÷xq polls closing 6:00 p.m. eastern. we're going...
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i'm talking about iowa, colorado, new hampshire, ohio, nevada, all states where president obama's doing very well. at least as competitive with romney. if mitt romney wins the states in his base, plus the two where he's leading, he only gets to 235 electoral votes, he needs many more to get elected. president obama would have many more, 303. so what mitt romney's got to do is figure a way to take some of those states away from the president. virginia, florida, ohio, colorado, iowa. that's where the election's going to be decided. mitt romney easily got a hill to climb the last 24 hours but nobody can say he can't do it. >> very good, thanks john, we appreciate it. on the eve of the election it's still the economy. that's still issue number one. which candidate offers a stronger pro-growth plan for the economy? let's bring in robert rice, former labor secretary and cnbc contributor, author of "beyond outrage." and stove moore, author of "return to prosperity." i want to make it short and sweet and simple. robert rice, who has the better economic growth program? >> barack obama. >> and wh
i'm talking about iowa, colorado, new hampshire, ohio, nevada, all states where president obama's doing very well. at least as competitive with romney. if mitt romney wins the states in his base, plus the two where he's leading, he only gets to 235 electoral votes, he needs many more to get elected. president obama would have many more, 303. so what mitt romney's got to do is figure a way to take some of those states away from the president. virginia, florida, ohio, colorado, iowa. that's where...
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a nevada woman is arrested for tryiig to vote átwiceá átwwceároxanne rubin was place...after the secretary of state's officc said they recieved aacomplaint... rubin haa checked into another polling place justta few hours computer; it showed that she had alreedy voted. they aid you've already voted. she said no i haven't that's a mistakee mistake." despite rubbn's istak" persistence, theepoll workers did not allow er to cast her information and days later iss harged with one count of - vooing more than once in the convicted, she could be sentenced to up to four years behind bars. scary moments at a texas airppr. airrort...what happened just seconds later..that made the povice pilot give up flying! plus, we're drawing another yours is called! called! you're morning news.d. smith, fox 45 &pcockeysvvlle, joel live in turnout. bound to drive up ballot that is questions on &pthe controversial ome of the closer look at half hoor a coming up next 3 3 of birth. 3 3 &p3 3- 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3- 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 p3 3 p3 it's our fox45 "thanks giveaway" giveaway!"we're giving away 100 do
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or it could be nevada. that would do it as well. the point is, in this scenario, at this point in the race, it is much easier for barack obama to get to the white house than it is for mitt romney. but, again, we are waiting on florida, north carolina, virginia, ohio, colorado, and just a couple more. we'll find out shortly. back to you. >> megyn: bill, thanks. >> bret: that's helpful to give perspective where we are on the night and also with more perspective our panel. we bring them back. brit, juan, kirsten, and steve. okay, steve, wisconsin going to president obama. you are a wisconsinite. >> i am, indeed. well, it was always going to be a tough state, especially recently. i mean, i think there is going to be a big discussion, probably be a lot of second-guessing among wisconsinites, among republicans about how much attention was paid it to wisconsin by the romney campaign should mitt romney should the candidate have spent more time in wisconsin. he went there shortly after the june 5th recall and gave a speech. he was back on au
or it could be nevada. that would do it as well. the point is, in this scenario, at this point in the race, it is much easier for barack obama to get to the white house than it is for mitt romney. but, again, we are waiting on florida, north carolina, virginia, ohio, colorado, and just a couple more. we'll find out shortly. back to you. >> megyn: bill, thanks. >> bret: that's helpful to give perspective where we are on the night and also with more perspective our panel. we bring...
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the obama campaign is extremely confident because of the latino vote, about nevada. now you're in this position here. can governor romney get there? can he get there without, even if he won colorado, even if he won iowa, and even if he won new hampshire, he's short. what would he have to do? that's the pennsylvania strategy you were just thinking about. he would have to take that away and turn it red. that would make the difference, but it's improbable. the deep blue dna of pennsylvania makes that somewhat improbable. which is why we're going to spend a long time tonight, late campaign polling is not always what happens on election day. i talk to some people in hamilton county, ohio, to cincinnati, they were much more encouraged today than they were last night. if that one is blue at the end of the night, it's not impossible, but it is improbable, i would say, to find a romney path to 270. >> in the past, as we say often, no republican has won the white house without ohio. anderson? >> i just want to quickly check in with our analyst, about what peter hamby just repo
the obama campaign is extremely confident because of the latino vote, about nevada. now you're in this position here. can governor romney get there? can he get there without, even if he won colorado, even if he won iowa, and even if he won new hampshire, he's short. what would he have to do? that's the pennsylvania strategy you were just thinking about. he would have to take that away and turn it red. that would make the difference, but it's improbable. the deep blue dna of pennsylvania makes...
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least two of those three, probably three of those three so when we go westward to iowa, wisconsin, nevada, colorado, for it to be a relevant, plausible path for him to get to 270 electoral votes. i still think ohio, virginia and without florida, ohio and virginia probably don't matter. >> let's hope we're not bogged down in electoral challenges in florida and ohio with all the lines. >> a clean vote is what we want where everyone who wants to vote is able to vote. the most important thing. i also think a clean result, in that it's very clear one side or the other. you might not like the result, but it's clear more people voted and more electoral votes went to one of the two candidates. i think that's probably a good thing for whether you're a partisan on the left or right. >> don't forget, house races, senate races, governor races, ballot initiatives, a lot to vote for. take your time and vote. that does it for us on this edition on election day on andrea mitt he chel reports. next stephanie cutter and chris van hollen and my xlej subpoena here next. make sure you vote. we'll be here all
least two of those three, probably three of those three so when we go westward to iowa, wisconsin, nevada, colorado, for it to be a relevant, plausible path for him to get to 270 electoral votes. i still think ohio, virginia and without florida, ohio and virginia probably don't matter. >> let's hope we're not bogged down in electoral challenges in florida and ohio with all the lines. >> a clean vote is what we want where everyone who wants to vote is able to vote. the most important...
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it's not very implausible, and, yes, we know that right now the president seems like a favorite in nevada, and that's what makes this less likely than what most folks think, but between that and don't forget you've got congressional districts in nebraska and maine. the point is if you remember how we started this campaign which was the state of iowa decided by eight votes between rick santorum and mitt romney and then oh, by the way the results flipped two weeks later, i've always worried that that was foreshadowing this nightmare scenario. >> as you talk to us, chuck, i want to note that vice president biden is waiting in line to vote in delaware this morning. we'll keep an eye on that as you and i continue to talk. >> reporter: speaking of vice president biden. under this scenario and people are wondering if you don't get to 270, this would go to the house, so the house would elect the president. the senate would elect the vice president, so under this scenario your most likely outcome romney/biden. >> then we'll know we're in an alternate reality. chuck, let's move on to florida. if it
it's not very implausible, and, yes, we know that right now the president seems like a favorite in nevada, and that's what makes this less likely than what most folks think, but between that and don't forget you've got congressional districts in nebraska and maine. the point is if you remember how we started this campaign which was the state of iowa decided by eight votes between rick santorum and mitt romney and then oh, by the way the results flipped two weeks later, i've always worried that...
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haves terrible candidate in nevada, i'll go on a limb say and somebody asked me lost time to what would beat harry reid. it would take a -- that was my comment. and we ended up with a -- [inaudible] i'm not going to say. she couldn't win. she wasn't close at the end of the day. delaware the same, colorado the same. so it's not just ideology. it's finding presentable candidates that have coos appeal. we're not running the candidates in some of the state it's costing us the senate. >> it is ironic. he said he's not a member an organized political party. he's a democrat. but the democrats have actually done a better job in the last couple of election in erm it is of selecting the most electable candidates particularly for the senate. >> the republicans -- [inaudible] if you don't win election nothing else matters. and i i think we have people less interested in winning elections and making point. >> the other thing i want to ask is money. the top four senate races that received outside money, virginia, wisconsin, ohio, indiana. you can -- has moved the races an inch. they all stayed almost
haves terrible candidate in nevada, i'll go on a limb say and somebody asked me lost time to what would beat harry reid. it would take a -- that was my comment. and we ended up with a -- [inaudible] i'm not going to say. she couldn't win. she wasn't close at the end of the day. delaware the same, colorado the same. so it's not just ideology. it's finding presentable candidates that have coos appeal. we're not running the candidates in some of the state it's costing us the senate. >> it is...
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shelly berkeley out in nevada. joe donnelly -- >> you know what? where were we two years ago in a horrible election year for democrats talking about harry reid who's going to lose and if he was going to win, he was only going to win with 46%. it has been nurtured and pruned and kind of grown and harvested over the last -- since really the '08 election with obama and perfected in 2010. we'll see what it can do for shelley berkley in 2012. >> bill: todd akin's baby brother, richard mourdock -- >> i think that will be an upset. >> bill: the rape twins. i think we pick up indiana. >> god intended us to win that. >> bill: joe donnelly. >> god intended that. >> bill: he put richard mourdock there. >> i think we'll win there. we could conceive -- i'm not saying this is going to happen but i think there's a better shot that democrats will actually gain seats in the senate than it is that republicans could get the majority. >> bill: and you've mentioned that for the lgbt community this could be a big year. >> it's going to be a big year. if tammy baldwin wi
shelly berkeley out in nevada. joe donnelly -- >> you know what? where were we two years ago in a horrible election year for democrats talking about harry reid who's going to lose and if he was going to win, he was only going to win with 46%. it has been nurtured and pruned and kind of grown and harvested over the last -- since really the '08 election with obama and perfected in 2010. we'll see what it can do for shelley berkley in 2012. >> bill: todd akin's baby brother, richard...
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the toughest state here to make this se ncenario work would be nevada. it's a state a that a lot of republicans and democrats slightly leans in the democratic category. but it's not an implausible scenario. if nobody got 270 then the house of representatives would decide who the president was, but the u.s. senate would vote on who the vice president was. that means the most likely outcome under this scenario is a romney/biden scenario. >> another scenario if ohio is too close to call. >> here's the problem with ohio. they have a new law that says provisional ballots, and these are ballots that are questioned there, maybe somebody didn't bring an i.d., maybe a signature is off, they will let you vote, but you get put in a separate stack. they wouldn't even start counting them until november 17th. today is still november 6th. so in 11 days, let's say the margin is less than 50,000, there's likely to be over 200,000 provisional ballots cast in ohio. they wouldn't start counting those until 11 days. . they wouldn't start counting until then. it would make 20
the toughest state here to make this se ncenario work would be nevada. it's a state a that a lot of republicans and democrats slightly leans in the democratic category. but it's not an implausible scenario. if nobody got 270 then the house of representatives would decide who the president was, but the u.s. senate would vote on who the vice president was. that means the most likely outcome under this scenario is a romney/biden scenario. >> another scenario if ohio is too close to call....